Netizens claim US has hidden plot to subvert China, citing Jon Huntsman in a Republican Primary Debate
November 22, 2011Sven Holler15 Comments5 mao, democracy, Internet debate, Jasmine Flower, Jon Huntsman, Politics, Republican Party, the U.S. Ambassador to China, United States Ambassador to China, United States presidential debates, Wangfujing, wu mao
Via Sina Weibo.
A video (seen above) of a recent Republican Primary Debate has been circling the net featuring Republican Presidential Candidate and former U.S. Ambassador to China, Jon Huntsman, responding to what he would do about China as president. His quote is as follows:
“…So what should we be doing? We should be reaching out to our allies and constituencies within China. They’re called the young people. They’re called the Internet generation. There are 500 million internet users in China and 80 million bloggers. And they are bringing about change, the likes of which is going to take China down.”
The video has even been featured on a notorious flag-waving nationalistic website called M4.cn, which interprets the rhetoric as a telltale sign of U.S. hostility towards China and a hidden agenda to subvert China. Some pro-communist net users even said this proved beyond the doubt that the U.S. government is fanning social unrest in China and secretly sponsoring internet commentators.
While I can’t comment on the latter sentence in the previous paragraph due to not having inside knowledge of U.S. government operations, to the former I say: Of course. From local business transactions all the way up to world governments, everyone can always be sure of one thing: Each party will act in their own best interest, even to the disadvantage of the other party, if they can get away with it. One can be sure that the U.S. government has numerous plans it would like to implement that would benefit itself and harm relations with and economies of China, but likewise the same can be said for China or any other country. To some Chinese, the fact that it was said in the U.S. to an American audience somehow makes it more audacious, but there is one thing the average Chinese user might not pick up on amid all the nationalist outrage:
These are Republican primary debates. If you are familiar with politics in the United States then this would be all the explanation required, but for those who are not, allow me to elaborate. Primary party debates are a game in which one candidate must do everything he can to 1) make his opponents look terrible and 2) gain positive responses/fire up the audience as much as possible (as known as pandering to their base). This is especially true for Republican primary debates as the ideology of the Republican party is much the same throughout all their constituencies (as opposed to Democrats which can have a much more diverse base of ideologies throughout their various constituencies).
It is also known that Republicans can be very xenophobic, often blaming foreign companies (especially Chinese) and illegal immigrants for stealing jobs, increasing crime, and overall just hurting their country. So as a matter of simply catering to their base, these candidates will say such things, sometimes extreme things, to garner their support. But in reality, even if they became president, none of these things would actually happen. During the primaries and the actual presidential race, candidates are known for promising everything under the sun, but will often change their mind, retract their statements, or just not go through with their claims when the time comes to actually spring to action.
In summary, while the US may have multiple plans which that would be to the detriment of China, so does every other country have similar plans to other countries as well, because it is natural for each government to look out for their own interests above all others and I am not sure why this comes to a surprise to anyone. But using a quote from a party’s primary debate is a bit silly for fanning the flames of anti-U.S. sentiment because if I had to write every promise or statement made that was retracted, changed, or broken from last election’s primary debates; you would spend many additional hours reading this article. So the response, to me, seems a bit overreactive.
Ultra-nationalistic comments by netizens who have detected “undertones of dishonesty and evilness:”
当红明月:The imperialistic America has never forgone their intention to annihilate us. But who keeps buying U.S. debt?
zsqcn1111：Jon Huntsman is daydreaming. Even if the number of Chinese Internet users exceeds 1 billion and that of bloggers exceeds 100 million, those traitors who are willing to toe the line of Americans are always minority and can never make any big waves. That’s because the xenophilia traitors are always a bunch of snobs that can never accomplish anything!!
雨季乘凉：”Reaching out to allies within China”…Is it to say that many people have already become allies even before they are reached?
颓影了残生：From the age of the Great Navigations till today, foreigners have been doing the same thing: converting people elsewhere to their beliefs and propping up those who believed in them as their advocates to help them loot local treasures, or killing those who did not. Several hundred years ago, that belief was called Jesus. And now, it is called Democracy.
铃铛打不倒：Look at how American imperialists take advantage of Chinese netizens to make waves.
胡胡毛：I guess many American politicians think just like that: that only by holding the development of countries and regions such as China, Russia and the European Union in check can the United States keep its current position as the world leader, further plunder all kinds of resources and occupy the vantage point in world trade.
明道先生：What he said only reinforces my abhorrence of American politicians. He said within China there are a lot of American allies. There is no way that our younger generation would be like that. We are Chinese. Why would we support the United States? So this Jon Huntsman is wrong! I hate those bad things related to the United States.
晓生论点：Recognition — Sense of belonging– Classes — Common interests — Nations — Standpoints — Class struggles. These are the nature of the society. The so-called universal values are bullshit.
飛力克斯：I just watched this South Carolina Republican 2012 Presidential Debate from CBS News on Youtube. The ulterior motive of American imperialism to annihilate us is as clear as crystal. But judging by the campaigns and demonstrations organized by overseas Chinese in 2008 to protest Tibetan Splittism and support the Beijing Olympics, Jon Huntsman will not have his wishes met that easily.
czmawei：It is not surprising at all that Jon Huntsman said this~~ During the Jasmine Flower Revolution he even went to Wangfujing to express support and was caught red-handed by Chinese netizens.
流浪_之狗：It is no secret at all that the United States looks forward to China having internal unrest. Whether there will be the actual unrest and when it is are really what they are keeping a close eye on. Jon Huntsman’s speech can only further substantiate that anti-Chinese forces in the United States did play a role in plotting the so-called Spring in Wangfujing farce on February 20. Because Jon Huntsman, then the U.S. Ambassador to China, was right there. He clearly did not just happen to pass by. Rather, it was an official transcript of political achievements submitted right before he left office.
鱼鳞1992：Let’s not raise a false alarm or panic. We should trust in our motherland and support our motherland!
子阳：Hehe, how many naive U.S. Cents Party (Jing: as opposed to 5 mao Party, which is allegedly paid by the government to make pro-government and propagandist comments on the Internet, Cents Party implies that those who favors Western democracy is hired by the U.S. government) members are used and resigned to be traitors and colonial slaves!
南海天风：In the past and at present, at home and abroad, no government can tolerate traitors selling out to the enemy in broad daylight. From time immemorial, traitors have had only one consequence. The majority who have kept silent are not going to put up with those American allies within China.
However, there are quite a number of netizens who are capable of thinking critically.
千祈_唔好：If everything with the Heavenly Kingdom is really fine, why do we care what others say? Even foreigners can tell what the problem is…
看好戏：Well said! I staunchly support Jon Huntsman.
阿邸的幸福1985: Communist-ruled China deserves to be taken down.
shdowson：Allen Walsh Dulles was much more audacious than he is. But what baffles me is, should a regime that is upheld by its people in all sincerity be worried that its people will be lured away by foreign enemies? American rulers never seem concerned with this.
Issolo：Oh, please, he is running for president. If he didn’t say so, wouldn’t it make his career in China sound a waste of time? Running for president means going along with the public opinion. Obviously the public opinion sees China as its enemy. If this bro becomes the president, he will definitely about-face.
换个视角啦：This is a Republican debate on TV. Please everyone, do not get upset or anxious. It doesn’t represent the state policy. What would happen if all kinds of Anti-American speech, some of which even threatens to ruin the United States, were taken out of its context and presented to American people? Just like Sima Nan’s comment beating the drum for Occupy Wall Street, can it be taken as a semi-official viewpoint?
There is one person, who got really confused:
吴法天 : Some people trying to whitewash said below that “take” means “lead”. “Down” means “along”. “Take China Down” means “lead China along” instead of “beat China.” Is it true?